Ceballos, Donda and Tumini "Libres del Sur" and "Barrios de Pie" are not Peronists. 
- How did the crisis? Ceballos: "When Nestor Kirchner became president of the Peronist Party put the stone to mainstreaming. The PJ does not serve to transform the country or to continue the project in 2003 called Kirchner. 
- Why do you think appealed to the PJ? Tumini "We lacked political courage to build a political tool to express a new national project. Lacked courage. The PJ is the one who fought from 2003 onwards so as not to constitute a new political force. It ends up being president of a party that boycotted all attempts at pluralism. He made a right turn.
- Kirchner says he turned right when he took on the PJ?
T.: "Yes. If you sit with them who were with Carlos Menem and Eduardo Duhalde and Raul Othacehé, Hugo Curto, Juan Carlos Romero and José María Díaz Bancalari. Therefore we say that we are not Kirchner. We are allies of the government but we are not Kirchner.
C., "We liked the confrontational Kirchner, is not conditioned.
- What influenced this distancing ads pay the holdouts and the Club of Paris?
T., "We believe it is a grave political error the result of a concession to the most concentrated sectors of the economy for some time been pressing for the Government to issue signals to the markets. We must not weaken the position of reserves in an economic context as that is. Everyone knew that coming an international financial crisis, but applied the wrong strategy and misguided.
- How does this affect in Congress?
Donda: "In Congress blend the interests of the same members of the ruling bloc. We present a bill signed by colleagues with whom I agree, a bill to revoke the genocide to hold public office. But this project lies in a drawer of the chairman of the Committee on Constitutional Affairs, Graciela Camano. That is a clear example of the right turn that permeates the PJ to Kirchner.
- Can be a situation similar to that of Rep. Laura Berardo Free-piece that formed the South in the Legislature of Buenos Aires?
D.: "No need to leave because we were never in the FPV. While the majority vote of FPV represent the interests of the majority, we will vote with them. But do not owe obedience to anyone.
-Ceballos, you integrate the Executive. Not doing "great Cobos" which remains distanced from the Kirchner government?
C.: "My story and that of Cobos are very different. The truth is that Cobos is where it comes from and so betrayed the flag of the Frente para la Victoria. We can make a difference with the government but we have ideological coherence. Given a fair measure such as withholding we stand in the place corresponding. I vetoed the candidacy for mayor in La Matanza and yet I campaigned for Cristina. Our approach is not to Cobos.
"But it is contradictory to be within the government and not with Kirchner.
T.: "No, an example is Das Neves, who was always an ally of the government. Until now.
-Das Neves has no national government position.
T.: "Never mind. It is unrealistic to say that only can be in the Kirchner government. By sharing a political project, not an identity. If the project is only the Peronist Party, we got out. If the government project, not Kirchner continues to be plural, will remain part of the government, but not Kirchner.
-Ceballos did you think to quit?
C., "I'm never tied to the charges, and it showed. I believe that the charges are transient, what is important is the project. Our organization precedes kirchnerismo. We did enough to be out neoliberalism. We owe it to this project, not to the charges.
- If you keep it up would step aside?
C.: "If the PJ is the political project, we have no place in the project.
"They're out of Kirchner. What does it take to feel out of the political project?
T.: "If in the province of Buenos Aires, Néstor Kirchner leads the ruling but the PJ political column, we will not support Kirchner. The point of no return is when you take the PJ as an absolutely dominant hegemonic deepening a national project.
- Do you trust the lists open kirchnerismo beyond the PJ?
T.: "The Government keeps talking about pluralism and consensus. We believe that there is a growing gap between words and deeds, but there is still an open contradiction. When we perceive it to stop being part of a political project.
D.: "While we have ears to hear, continue to be part of this project. K
Many leaders defend interests that are not popular. La Posta De Zárate
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